Hi all,
following on from the meeting yesterday, please see attached Q&A's provided by Mick Forey from the UK TR register. There will be a 'show of hands' in favour/not in favour vote on the proposal at our AGM on 18th Feb. Any questions please post up here.TR Register TCOC affiliation Q&A's.docx
Regards,
Paddy.
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Life and living is complicated enough!
I believe in keeping things simple!
I'll be voting yes!
Niall, thank you for clarifying all that, and wearing my Reg UK hat thank you for following up on the gdpr issues with the trregister Ireland. PiBren
Niall, your opinion is always valued as you have indeed had many happy years of TR Register UK membership, but are now not a member, sadly; I return to DCs comment re overthinking this - my personal belief is the GDPR issue with TR Ireland brought all this into the open and to a head, and now that's dealt with I think the Reg UK( Fcuk it's complicated typing this!) are extending the hand of inter Triumph Club friendship. They above all Mainland Clubs realise we are all losing membership ( tcoc excluded) and in order for all to survive we need to cosy up a little - just look at the MG & Triumph spares day we are attending this Sunday. For some years now the trreguk have shared their big iwe show with the Stags& Sports Six& 2000Reg clubs etc in order for these shows to be viable financially and as a follow on for members to attend and enjoy - I certainly enjoyed the one in Sommerset Bath 2023: there is nothing sinister goin on here, Fcuk it we only pay a nominal amount, and not giving them the Chairman's Chain of Office or first born as collateral! I think the ivvcc affiliate fee is €50!!!!!!
It is heartening to see the interest this debate has generated and that the good ole Forum is being used to debate same.
pibren
Bren the GDPR issue with TR Ireland arose because of an issue I rasied with TRR and their sharing of my data with TR Register Ireland which allowed TR Register Ireland to present themselves as a subsidiary of the TR Register and subsequently fund raise from me and possibly others under false pretences. It wasn't as you assume above a part of a wider positive review of the TRR's place in the world and amonst the community of clubs, it was in response to a stupid position they allowed themselves to be put in and being taken to task on it. They behaved and responded poorly throughout the whole process to be quite blunt about it. In a way that's by the by but worth noting, I wouldnt take huge comfort in the positivity and good intentions of the TRR, it doesnt exist in any real form certainly not throughout the organisation.
In terms of overthinking this thing and having nothing to lose. There are two different things going on here, the first is affiliation to the TRR, that process is controlled by the TRR and I do believe they want the TCOC and it will happen if we agree to it as a club, I also agree with your sentiments "why not". The second and quite separate thing is membership of the International Group, the conferring of membership of this group is not within the direct control of the TRR but rather the members international coordinators. Its not clear at this time whether or not that voting process is decided by majority or unanimity, we need to know that, if its unanimous then fine I believe the TRR will propose us and most of the clubs in Europe will welcome a new dynamic member as they rightly will see it. If however unaniumity is required then our ascension into the ranks will require the vote of one Pat McMahon as International Coordinator for TR Ireland, I think that could present a problem for the TCOC. We dont know yet but based on what I have been able to garner as an ordinary TRR member there is a distinct possibilty that currently unanimity is required, time and the committee here will tell no doubt.
So, many of the benefits floated under affiliation are in fact benefits of membership of the International Group, we I would think are more interested in membership of that dynamic group than affilation to an ailing UK club with dubious management ethics and abilities, we need to play our cards right now whilst we are in the driving seat to estbablish whether entry to the International Group is guaranteed and if not how we do get it guaranteed. Be a shame to try to get that after we had given away our negotiating position if we want to call it that.
So i spoke with Mick Forey this evening. He has confirmed that there is an approval process for us to be accepted into the international group but that pat mc mahon has absolutely no say or veto on that. I put it to him if that was to happen, it would be incredibly humiliating for the TCOC. Again, he assured me it is not a possibility.
Regards,
Paddy.
Thanks Paddy, thats a positive answer and no more can you do. Membership of the international group is the cherry I think for the TCOC and whilst I would prefer to know exactly what the process for approval is so that we could make our own judgement on how its likely to go a question has been asked and answered and any further now would be mulish about it. My recollection is that Mick Forey told me the opposite wrt the process some months ago but sadly thats par for that course, we have an answer now to you in the forum that matters and thats good enough for me, I feel reasonably warmly about the prospects of an affiliation and even warmer on joining the International Group of clubs and dont see we have anything much to lose. Great job.
Quick question Niall, can we join the international group in our own right, not only via affiliation, is this an option.
cheers
Possibly Ken, it's not something i thought of either. However, if we went around the uk register to do this (and i'm taking it that the TRREG uk is who we are affiliating with), they might not be pleased and they would have a veto..and would likely excercise it!
Thanks Paddy and Niall, appreciate the comments.
I never specifically asked that Ken in any discussion I had, interesting question though. My understanding of the International Group is that it's chaired by the TRR International Coordinator, chaired but not controlled, and each affiliated club can apply to join the Group which then votes on whether or not to accept the new member. I believe there are clubs who are affiliated to the TRR but are not members or certainly active members of the IG so certainly the IG group is optional wrt affiliation to the TRR. I don't know if there are groups in the converse position as you ask but I think not, in any discussion I had it's been presented as one follows the other, the IG as a collection of affiliated clubs in other words.
From the outside the TRR seems like a monolithic well structured machine, in fact many of the structures, affiliations and partnerships when you probe below the surface are ill defined and occasionally not at all. The TRR Ireland and the TRR itself being a case in point, to anyone and pretty much everyone one was a subsidiary of the other, it transpired then that is not the case, the TRR Ireland is not part of the TRR at all, nor are any other of the TRR XXXX clubs throughout the world. Seems amazingly lax to me but there it is. There's a large degree of making it up as they go along, hence all these questions.
In fairness Paddy has asked enough, I'll do a little bit of digging around and see if I can find a better answer for you.
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